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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2018 22:37:27 GMT -5
Do you? Why or why not?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 2:27:20 GMT -5
He can be when he's making a movie suited to his skill as a visual director. A lot of the time, I think he takes projects that don't necessarily cater to his style and sensibilities, though. I think his better efforts are the ones that, as stated, let him show off his visual prowess, and have simple plots that let him bounce characters interactions off of each other instead of having to do a lot of world-building and whatnot. I also think he performs better with a leash. I also think he should stay away with adaptations, for the most part, anyway.
Great Tim Burton Films: Peewee's Big Adventure Beetlejuice Edward Scissorhands The Nightmare Before Christmas Sleepy Hollow Big Fish Corpse Bride Big Eyes
Simply Good Burton Films: Batman Ed Wood Frankenweenie
Bad Burton Films: Mars Attacks Planet of the Apes Charlie and the Chocolate Factory Both "Alice" movies. Dark Shadows That stupid "Peculiar Children" movie and "Dumbo," on principal.
You'll notice that with the exception of "Sleepy Hollow," most of the ones I personally list as his best don't have overly intricate stories. I feel Burton's best work is more emotional and visual. You won't see "Batman Returns" on any of these list, because I honestly have no idea what to classify it as. It's not good enough to be one of his greats, or one of his goods, but it's not bad, either.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 6:21:11 GMT -5
He can be when he's making a movie suited to his skill as a visual director. A lot of the time, I think he takes projects that don't necessarily cater to his style and sensibilities, though. I think his better efforts are the ones that, as stated, let him show off his visual prowess, and have simple plots that let him bounce characters interactions off of each other instead of having to do a lot of world-building and whatnot. I also think he performs better with a leash. I also think he should stay away with adaptations, for the most part, anyway. Great Tim Burton Films: Peewee's Big Adventure Beetlejuice Edward Scissorhands The Nightmare Before Christmas Sleepy Hollow Big Fish Corpse Bride Big Eyes Simply Good Burton Films: Batman Ed Wood Frankenweenie Bad Burton Films: Mars Attacks Planet of the Apes Charlie and the Chocolate Factory Both "Alice" movies. Dark Shadows That stupid "Peculiar Children" movie and "Dumbo," on principal. You'll notice that with the exception of "Sleepy Hollow," most of the ones I personally list as his best don't have overly intricate stories. I feel Burton's best work is more emotional and visual. You won't see "Batman Returns" on any of these list, because I honestly have no idea what to classify it as. It's not good enough to be one of his greats, or one of his goods, but it's not bad, either. Batman Returns is my personal favorite Batman film, but I wonder how I'd feel if I hadn't watched the shit out of it when I was a kid. Objectively, it's a really strange fucking film, especially as like a flick WB had to turn around and sell to families/kids -- for Christmas, no less!* I imagine some oblivious parent dragging their happy kid into the theater, and two hours later DeVito's gushing black blood from his mouth, Pfieffer's basically insane, Walken gets electrocuted, and Batman is like the chillest, most normal guy in the picture. It's nuts! I watch it every December 23rd. *ETA: actually the damn movie came out in June despite having a Christmas theme; what the hell?! P.S. Fuck that Dumbo remake.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 14:34:46 GMT -5
He can be when he's making a movie suited to his skill as a visual director. A lot of the time, I think he takes projects that don't necessarily cater to his style and sensibilities, though. I think his better efforts are the ones that, as stated, let him show off his visual prowess, and have simple plots that let him bounce characters interactions off of each other instead of having to do a lot of world-building and whatnot. I also think he performs better with a leash. I also think he should stay away with adaptations, for the most part, anyway. Great Tim Burton Films: Peewee's Big Adventure Beetlejuice Edward Scissorhands The Nightmare Before Christmas Sleepy Hollow Big Fish Corpse Bride Big Eyes Simply Good Burton Films: Batman Ed Wood Frankenweenie Bad Burton Films: Mars Attacks Planet of the Apes Charlie and the Chocolate Factory Both "Alice" movies. Dark Shadows That stupid "Peculiar Children" movie and "Dumbo," on principal. You'll notice that with the exception of "Sleepy Hollow," most of the ones I personally list as his best don't have overly intricate stories. I feel Burton's best work is more emotional and visual. You won't see "Batman Returns" on any of these list, because I honestly have no idea what to classify it as. It's not good enough to be one of his greats, or one of his goods, but it's not bad, either. Batman Returns is my personal favorite Batman film, but I wonder how I'd feel if I hadn't watched the shit out of it when I was a kid. Objectively, it's a really strange fucking film, especially as like a flick WB had to turn around and sell to families/kids -- for Christmas, no less!* I imagine some oblivious parent dragging their happy kid into the theater, and two hours later DeVito's gushing black blood from his mouth, Pfieffer's basically insane, Walken gets electrocuted, and Batman is like the chillest, most normal guy in the picture. It's nuts! I watch it every December 23rd. *ETA: actually the damn movie came out in June despite having a Christmas theme; what the hell?! P.S. Fuck that Dumbo remake. Parents did actually complain about it. It was a huge controversy back then. I specifically remember my mom telling me I couldn't see it. LOL
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 0:30:42 GMT -5
Never was a fan.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 23:27:13 GMT -5
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Post by Salzackbar mini™ on Feb 16, 2019 11:32:00 GMT -5
I’m not sure… What distinguishes him from the majority of “quirky” directors is that he had the same style before his rise to fame and continued the style after his fame has fallen—so it’s difficult to cause Burton’s distinct style and visuals an affectation. He’s also rarely pretentious, and most of his pictures, even the not very good ones, have some virtues. The problem is, as everyone notes, that the visuals seem to overwhelm everything else, to the extent that often he can’t perform such a basic task as moving the plot along without descending into confusion or longueurs. His worst films aren’t uninteresting, but they’re boring, which is in many ways even worse.
At times he sells out to the studio, allowing visuals to get in the way of everything else (Planet of the Apes, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Alice in Wonderland), and from time to time he displays a pernicious nasty streak (Mars Attacks!, Charlie, Corpse Bride, Sweeney Todd), but at his best his work is very good indeed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 21:13:16 GMT -5
I’m not sure… What distinguishes him from the majority of “quirky” directors is that he had the same style before his rise to fame and c ontinued the style after his fame has fallen—so it’s difficult to cause Burton’s distinct style and visuals an affectation. He’s also rarely pretentious, and most of his pictures, even the not very good ones, have some virtues. The problem is, as everyone notes, that the visuals seem to overwhelm everything else, to the extent that often he can’t perform such a basic task as moving the plot along without descending into confusion or longueurs. His worst films aren’t uninteresting, but they’re boring, which is in many ways even worse. At times he sells out to the studio, allowing visuals to get in the way of everything else ( Planet of the Apes, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Alice in Wonderland), and from time to time he displays a pernicious nasty streak ( Mars Attacks!, Charlie, Corpse Bride, Sweeney Todd), but at his best his work is very good indeed. I'd call that ego and pride, pure and simple.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2020 10:42:43 GMT -5
Yes, he is a great director. I don't like EVERY movie he has directed but I like most and I love his style.
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Post by Papa 'Biz' Legba on Mar 25, 2021 19:11:50 GMT -5
Dont think Ive seen too many by him. I like Batman Returns though
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Mar 29, 2021 16:42:14 GMT -5
My favourite movie of his is Sleepy Hollow (1999). I know some people don't like it, but I love it.
I also like Batman Returns.
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Post by Weirdraptor mini™ on Apr 7, 2021 20:37:35 GMT -5
My favourite movie of his is Sleepy Hollow (1999). I know some people don't like it, but I love it. I also like Batman Returns. Ditto to Sleepy Hollow. I like it because it pairs his visual style with a story that actually has a lot of story.
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Post by Salzackbar mini™ on Apr 7, 2021 21:13:15 GMT -5
I mostly still agree with myself from 2019. (How’s that for a weird sentence?) That said, I kind of love Dark Shadows now (the opening sequence is gorgeous) and have done a 180 on Miss Peregrine’s Home for Peculiar Children. (I criticized it for plot, and then I rewatched it on TV and thought, What am I thinking, basing any kind of judgment of a Burton movie on plot?.) And Batman Returns is remarkable—Burton’s Bride of Frankenstein.
Which is all to say that, even though my opinions haven’t actually changed that much, my tone on Burton is much more positive. (Charlie and the Chocolate Factory still sucks, though.)
Oh, and by the way: I want him to direct an adaptation of John Dickson Carr’s The Burning Court. Probably no one else here has read this book—it’s about a guy who begins to suspect his wife is the reincarnation of a 17th century witch—but I recommend it highly. It was adapted only once for a 1962 French film that I haven’t seen but that apparently changes a lot. It’s very plot-based, which is not Burton’s strength to say the least, but if he’s ever in the mood again for something plot-based like Sleepy Hollow, stylistically it’s a great fit for him.
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