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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2018 22:28:56 GMT -5
Do you ultimately consider it a "successful" show? There's no question it made a lot of people a lot of money, but I mean creatively rather than commercially. On the one hand, it was great at its best; on the other, it never paid off a damn thing.
Where do you dudes stand?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 2:52:15 GMT -5
I lean towards failure, but I think the answer is a bit more complicated than just that. Where it succeeded, it succeeded well enough to get extra credit points. Circa 1993, it was a revolutionary creation with promises of an ongoing story that would gradually get sold as the series went on, and for about the first 4-5 seasons, it was exactly that. Then around Season 5-6, something began to go wrong. Very wrong. Alas, it failed as it closed in on the finish line, and even at the point where they knew they only had one season left, they STILL didn't go for broke to just give us the answers we wanted, and the show ended without conclusion despite having a whole sodding decade to do it. So, yeah, I would classify it in many regards as a failure.
But I think enough good came of it in the end to see some small victories along the way. On the other hand, it certainly inspired a lot of future creative minds who would later became showrunners for things like "Buffy the Vampire Slayer," which had a constantly changing status quo, "Fringe," and many other shows that took the lessons to be learned from "X-Files" and ran with them. Yes, I am aware that even some of these examples jumped the shark later down the line, but still.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 12:32:04 GMT -5
Fun Fact: I watched the first episode, on the first airing, didn't like it, didn't watch it again until about 7 years later.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 22:17:25 GMT -5
SUCCESS! My third favorite show ALL TIME!
Yes, the mythology episodes went nowhere, but the stand alone monster/sci fI episodes are amazing. Yes, they can be cheesy and/or dirivitve but that's definately purposeful. It's a show full of winks and homages, and it is very self aware.
It's also diverse as can be. What other show can go from horror one week to sci fi the next and then throw you a comedy episode? Only the Files, baby!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 22:57:26 GMT -5
SUCCESS! My third favorite show ALL TIME! Yes, the mythology episodes went nowhere, but the stand alone monster/sci fI episodes are amazing. Yes, they can be cheesy and/or dirivitve but that's definately purposeful. It's a show full of winks and homages, and it is very self aware. It's also diverse as can be. What other show can go from horror one week to sci fi the next and then throw you a comedy episode? Only the Files, baby! I'll say this: when they did comedy, the episodes were truly (and surprisingly) hilarious.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 23:50:37 GMT -5
SUCCESS! My third favorite show ALL TIME! Yes, the mythology episodes went nowhere, but the stand alone monster/sci fI episodes are amazing. Yes, they can be cheesy and/or dirivitve but that's definately purposeful. It's a show full of winks and homages, and it is very self aware. It's also diverse as can be. What other show can go from horror one week to sci fi the next and then throw you a comedy episode? Only the Files, baby! I'll say this: when they did comedy, the episodes were truly (and surprisingly) hilarious. Yeah they were! The two newest seasons each have comedy classics of their own if you haven't checked them out yet. "Mulder and Scully Meet the Were Monster" is a true gem.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2018 13:50:51 GMT -5
I'll say this: when they did comedy, the episodes were truly (and surprisingly) hilarious. Yeah they were! The two newest seasons each have comedy classics of their own if you haven't checked them out yet. "Mulder and Scully Meet the Were Monster" is a true gem. I still have to check out the new stuff. I was kind of put off by learning about Anderson's departure and dissatisfaction, but I'm sure I'll get around to it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2018 14:05:19 GMT -5
Yeah they were! The two newest seasons each have comedy classics of their own if you haven't checked them out yet. "Mulder and Scully Meet the Were Monster" is a true gem. I still have to check out the new stuff. I was kind of put off by learning about Anderson's departure and dissatisfaction, but I'm sure I'll get around to it. The mythos episodes in the new seasons are a total disaster. But the stand alones are mostly great, especially in the last season.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 19:41:31 GMT -5
I just thought I'd pipe back into the topic with a little update on my end. I've recently started to get into "Supernatural," starring Jared Padalecki and Jensen Ackles, and it is so much like the goofy kid brother of "X-Files." The main thing that attracted me to it is that I've been told it has its own mystery box, but unlike "X-Files," actually opens it and properly explains "what even the hell" to its audience. So far, I'm digging it. Its not as good as the high point of "X-Files," but hey, if its actually committed to giving answers to the questions it poses, I'm game for trying it out. I only have... 13 years of material to catch up with.
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Post by Salzackbar mini™ on Jan 20, 2019 11:38:07 GMT -5
My friend and I once worked on a script outline for an X-Files episode about (please don’t ban me for this absurdity) a monster stealing people’s pants in the middle of a frozen winter in Buffalo, NY. It was supposed to be a comedy episode, obviously. Mulder has broken his leg, so Scully is paired with a ridiculously over-skeptical agent (we even named this character, I think), over-skeptical to the point that he sees the aliens right in front of him and still doesn’t believe it. We never quite managed to figure out why the monster was stealing pants. We alternated between an alien using pants as a food source and a witch (or the like) needing an article of clothing to turn people into zombies. Or a cold-weather relative of the Phantom Barber of Pascagoula. Anyway, Mulder shows up halfway through the episode, on crutches, and his pants are the only ones the monster can’t take, so everyone in the city turns on him, thinking he’s the monster, like in a Frankenstein movie. Yes. So. We gave it up after a while. Probably the dumbest concept I’ve ever written in my life.
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Post by Salzackbar mini™ on Jan 20, 2019 11:39:25 GMT -5
Oh, and the show! It’s great. Took me a long time to get into it because I don’t usually like sci-fi, but it’s a lot of fun. I haven’t seen all that much, though.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 14:32:12 GMT -5
Oh, and the show! It’s great. Took me a long time to get into it because I don’t usually like sci-fi, but it’s a lot of fun. I haven’t seen all that much, though. What season did you make it up to?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 0:32:42 GMT -5
On the next X-files! Weapon X has an X-citing X-rated adventure with the X-men!
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Post by Salzackbar mini™ on Feb 15, 2019 18:27:00 GMT -5
Oh, and the show! It’s great. Took me a long time to get into it because I don’t usually like sci-fi, but it’s a lot of fun. I haven’t seen all that much, though. What season did you make it up to? Not very far… I finished up the first season and then started skipping around. I watched the recent one about the “Mandela Effect,” which was fun.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 15:04:42 GMT -5
What season did you make it up to? Not very far… I finished up the first season and then started skipping around. I watched the recent one about the “Mandela Effect,” which was fun. Watch these... "Clyde Bruckman's Final Repose" from season three and "Bad Blood" season five.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Mar 26, 2021 18:51:50 GMT -5
I didn't really watch the show during its original run on TV. Though a friend of mine at the time showed me an episode or two. I then watched some episodes on TV - but that was towards the end of its last season or two (8 & 9). I then bought the 'complete series' (Seasons 1-9) on DVD when it was cheap, watched every episode (some were hard to get through, as I found them pretty boring) and then when I later did a rewatch, I skipped the ones I hadn't liked the first time around.
Of course, then they went and made Seasons 10 & 11, so I bought them on Blu-ray. I also own the two movies.
There was a lot of good episodes...but also quite a few bad ones. On the whole, though, I'd call the series a 'success'.
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Post by Salzackbar mini™ on Apr 7, 2021 21:37:56 GMT -5
I need to get back into watching X-Files. I miss Mulder and especially Scully.
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Post by Papa 'Biz' Legba on Apr 8, 2021 6:12:18 GMT -5
Papa Legba has only seen a movie. Papa Legba was not impressed
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Apr 8, 2021 7:02:58 GMT -5
I just thought I'd pipe back into the topic with a little update on my end. I've recently started to get into "Supernatural," starring Jared Padalecki and Jensen Ackles, and it is so much like the goofy kid brother of "X-Files." The main thing that attracted me to it is that I've been told it has its own mystery box, but unlike "X-Files," actually opens it and properly explains "what even the hell" to its audience. So far, I'm digging it. Its not as good as the high point of "X-Files," but hey, if its actually committed to giving answers to the questions it poses, I'm game for trying it out. I only have... 13 years of material to catch up with. I watched Supernatural - all fifteen seasons of that damn show. What a chore it became, but I stuck with it. Personally, I'd say stop after Season 5...but then you wouldn't get a 'definitive' ending. While there were some good bits and pieces scattered throughout Seasons 6-15, I personally thought nothing ever reached the heights of the first five seasons. And if you think it's 'goofy' during its early seasons...just wait. It'll only get goofier. Best of luck.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2021 15:39:43 GMT -5
I need to get back into watching X-Files. I miss Mulder and especially Scully. I’m pretty sure I’ve recommended this one before (and you may have seen it by now), but make sure you watch Clyde Bruckman’s Final Repose from season three! I don’t want to overhype it but it might literally be my favorite hour of television ever. Absolutely BRILLIANT! Also, there’s a Mandala Effect episode in season 11! But if I recall correctly you did mention that you saw that one.
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Post by Weirdraptor mini™ on Apr 8, 2021 19:25:03 GMT -5
I just thought I'd pipe back into the topic with a little update on my end. I've recently started to get into "Supernatural," starring Jared Padalecki and Jensen Ackles, and it is so much like the goofy kid brother of "X-Files." The main thing that attracted me to it is that I've been told it has its own mystery box, but unlike "X-Files," actually opens it and properly explains "what even the hell" to its audience. So far, I'm digging it. Its not as good as the high point of "X-Files," but hey, if its actually committed to giving answers to the questions it poses, I'm game for trying it out. I only have... 13 years of material to catch up with. I watched Supernatural - all fifteen seasons of that damn show. What a chore it became, but I stuck with it. Personally, I'd say stop after Season 5...but then you wouldn't get a 'definitive' ending. While there were some good bits and pieces scattered throughout Seasons 6-15, I personally thought nothing ever reached the heights of the first five seasons. And if you think it's 'goofy' during its early seasons...just wait. It'll only get goofier. Best of luck. Interestingly, that deleted member is me. I used to post here but then I deleted because the forum had gone dead for awhile. I think I'll be stopping my Supernatural rewatch at the season 10 mark.
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Post by Papa 'Biz' Legba on Apr 9, 2021 5:07:38 GMT -5
I watched Supernatural - all fifteen seasons of that damn show. What a chore it became, but I stuck with it. Personally, I'd say stop after Season 5...but then you wouldn't get a 'definitive' ending. While there were some good bits and pieces scattered throughout Seasons 6-15, I personally thought nothing ever reached the heights of the first five seasons. And if you think it's 'goofy' during its early seasons...just wait. It'll only get goofier. Best of luck. Interestingly, that deleted member is me. I used to post here but then I deleted because the forum had gone dead for awhile. I think I'll be stopping my Supernatural rewatch at the season 10 mark.You deserve a medal for going that far again
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Apr 9, 2021 21:17:16 GMT -5
Interestingly, that deleted member is me. I used to post here but then I deleted because the forum had gone dead for awhile. I think I'll be stopping my Supernatural rewatch at the season 10 mark.You deserve a medal for going that far again There's certainly no way I'd ever rewatch the show past the first five seasons (I might rewatch the odd episode from some of the later seasons, but there'd only be a few I'd bother with). Anyway, the point is moot for me, as I doubt I'll ever get the show on DVD/Blu-ray (the only season I own is Season 1 - I might give it a rewatch when I've watched all of the many unwatched shows I still have yet to get through).
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Post by Weirdraptor mini™ on Apr 9, 2021 22:10:14 GMT -5
You deserve a medal for going that far again There's certainly no way I'd ever rewatch the show past the first five seasons (I might rewatch the odd episode from some of the later seasons, but there'd only be a few I'd bother with). Anyway, the point is moot for me, as I doubt I'll ever get the show on DVD/Blu-ray (the only season I own is Season 1 - I might give it a rewatch when I've watched all of the many unwatched shows I still have yet to get through). It's kind of amazing how astonishingly similar The X-Files and Supernatural are once they get into their later seasons. A lot of promise just goes out the window as the showrunners just started ideas out to see what'd stick. And to think, Ackles passed up on being Captain America, Hawkeyes, AND Star-lord to keep being on that show.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Apr 9, 2021 23:46:23 GMT -5
There's certainly no way I'd ever rewatch the show past the first five seasons (I might rewatch the odd episode from some of the later seasons, but there'd only be a few I'd bother with). Anyway, the point is moot for me, as I doubt I'll ever get the show on DVD/Blu-ray (the only season I own is Season 1 - I might give it a rewatch when I've watched all of the many unwatched shows I still have yet to get through). It's kind of amazing how astonishingly similar The X-Files and Supernatural are once they get into their later seasons. A lot of promise just goes out the window as the showrunners just started ideas out to see what'd stick. And to think, Ackles passed up on being Captain America, Hawkeyes, AND Star-lord to keep being on that show. Jensen Ackles was also apparently in the running for the part of Clark on Smallville (according to a DVD commentary I listened to for one of the episodes). I imagine he doesn't regret doing Supernatural, since it kept him employed for 15+ years, though he probably got a bit bored 'creatively' I'm guessing. It'll be good to see him in something different at long last (he'll be in Season 3 of The Boys).
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Post by Weirdraptor mini™ on Apr 10, 2021 0:25:51 GMT -5
It's kind of amazing how astonishingly similar The X-Files and Supernatural are once they get into their later seasons. A lot of promise just goes out the window as the showrunners just started ideas out to see what'd stick. And to think, Ackles passed up on being Captain America, Hawkeyes, AND Star-lord to keep being on that show. Jensen Ackles was also apparently in the running for the part of Clark on Smallville (according to a DVD commentary I listened to for one of the episodes). I imagine he doesn't regret doing Supernatural, since it kept him employed for 15+ years, though he probably got a bit bored 'creatively' I'm guessing. It'll be good to see him in something different at long last (he'll be in Season 3 of The Boys). Yep, the other most-recent thing we've seen him do live-action was that My Bloody Valentine remake. Because he apparently have enough horror-themed works under his belt. No idea why J2 decided it a great idea to try breakout away from Supernatural by starring in old slasher flick remakes (with Padalecki being in the Friday the 13th remake that very same year).
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Post by Papa 'Biz' Legba on Apr 10, 2021 0:37:03 GMT -5
You deserve a medal for going that far again There's certainly no way I'd ever rewatch the show past the first five seasons (I might rewatch the odd episode from some of the later seasons, but there'd only be a few I'd bother with). Anyway, the point is moot for me, as I doubt I'll ever get the show on DVD/Blu-ray (the only season I own is Season 1 - I might give it a rewatch when I've watched all of the many unwatched shows I still have yet to get through). Don't get me wrong. It's a great show, even though it had a questionable season or arcs. Looking at you Leviathan season I was more commenting on the number of episodes. It's not like 6, 10 or 13 eps per season. A massive 23/22 from what I recall
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Post by Papa 'Biz' Legba on Apr 10, 2021 0:39:07 GMT -5
Watched 3 eps of the initial season. I like it. Also Scully is mighty fine mmmhmmm
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